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My Bathroom & Laundry Room

My current laundry room is approximately 5’D by almost 8’W. The bathroom is approximately 6’D by 4.6’W.The current toilet is approximately 21.5"W x 27"D and is crammed in to a 23"W alcove. It has been in the house for over 20 years and does not flush very well. The shower is about 30"W x 32"D. There used to be a wall-mount vanity facing the toilet, but it fell down. We purchased a Eurostyle vanity that is approximately 26"W x 17"D that we plan to install in the future. There is about a 24"W doorway with a door that swings in across from the shower.

The hallway leading to the laundry room is about 34” wide. On paper it may seem wide enough, but trying to squeeze through while carrying laundry baskets is a total pain. There is absolutely no storage in the laundry room. If it wasn’t so awkward to put the laundry in, it wouldn’t be so bad. We weren’t able to get the washer and dryer backed up to the east wall because there was not enough room to maneuver and the floor is in bad shape (we had parquet hardwood flooring but while we were overseas, our careless tenants destroyed it). We had linoleum put in after the installer tried to patch the floor with some kind of water powder, but the powder crumbled and the linoleum ripped when the new washer and dryer were put in.
The guest bathroom was the only one in the house that did not have carpet installed. The toilet alcove is so narrow that most of my family members cannot even fit into it to sit on the toilet. I can barely squeeze in but can barely move my arms.
There is an old light above the recessed medicine cabinet mirror. It has a single 2-prong outlet but it is not a GFCI outlet.
The shower is too small for the family member who would use it the most. The bathroom area is currently being used as a storage closet, and an opossum that comes in through the cat door used to hide in it before he/she decided to really make himself at home. (We’ve named it Earl and it likes to eat cookies and sleep in a cat bed on the kitchen floor).
There used to be a utility sink in the southwest corner of the laundry room but it was removed. The drain and water supply lines are still there. All of the sinks in the house have S-traps. I’m assuming that they were all done before S-traps were banned by plumbing codes.

I am currently trying to figure out a plan to remodel the area so that we can have easier access to the laundry and a bathroom that can actually be used. At first I considered finding a way to turn the whole area in to one large room with the toilet in its own compartment, but I couldn’t find a satisfactory layout. With the aid of some helpful Houzzers I realized that it might be best to tear down the west and north walls of the bathroom and swap the bathroom with the laundry room. My house is up on blocks and is just open underneath so I would not have to worry about concrete, ceilings, or having to notch floor joists. Since the floor already needs to be replaced down to the subfloor, we are free to re-arrange the fixtures and pipes. The main obstacle would be getting the plumbing vents done properly. There was only one vent for five fixtures (assuming they were all tied in to it) and the toilet was the closest fixture to it. The main vent stack is in the south wall of the bathroom (the north wall of the laundry room) about a foot away from the exterior wall. If we swap the rooms, we might even be able to fit a shower/tub combo in the southeast corner. I have spare siding from when the siding was re-done on the house so I could patch up the current hole for the dryer vent and move it over. I could probably tie in to a lot of the existing water lines, and both rooms are very close to the circuit box, so re-wiring would not be so difficult.

I could use the existing archway in to the laundry room for a door, but it would have to swing outward to fit building code rules about not swinging in to hit a person that is using the vanity. So long as I have the toilet a minimum of 15” from its center to the bathtub (I would probably try for at least 18"), I think I could put the toilet on the north wall of the laundry room sort of in the middle. I am considering the possibility of having it on the south wall next to the vanity and then mounting the toilet paper holder on the vanity, but that would require more adjustments in vents and such. So I could probably just build a space saver that fits over the toilet and has a toilet paper holder on the side.

I’m still not sure what to do with the washer and dryer. I could either put them on the south wall of the bathroom facing northward or I could put them on the east wall facing westward. East wall would make it so that I could probably hook the washing machine up to the existing pipes for the vanity.

Update June 9, 2014: I finally got a few images of the plumbing under the house. It's worse than I'd thought. PVC hooking in to ABS, fixtures that are not vented, pipes zigzagging all around and not making sense, no P-traps for shower and standpipe, PVC for cold waterlines instead of CPVC, potable waterlines too close to waste lines, etc.. It's a mess.
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Life is still crazy. Been having trouble with my left arm and my back so I haven't gotten as much done. My best friend who has been helping me had some health issues and was busy and unable to come out much. I've managed to make a very small amount of progress. I was thinking about how to keep stuff from falling between and behind the machines and came across a laundry countertop for a reasonable price. You cant tell from the photos but has 3 boards in the middle running from left ot right and then has rails/ledges. It's waterproof and heat resistant. It is allegedly stain resistant. We shall see about that. It's not terribly heavy but it was bulky enough that I exhausted myself just getting it out of the box. Ended up having to flip the box upsidedown and dumped it out because lifting it out wasn't working. I also had to clear off the machines and scrub them clean before putting this up. One of the tubs on top of the dryer has books and heavy stuff in it so it was incredibly difficult to lift and I couldn't get any help from Doofusaurus. In his defense, he hurt his back trying to lift Mom when she fell. We both hurt ourselves but he's not accustomed to back pain so its new to him. He hasn't mocked me about complaining of my back pain since at least and I've had a bad back for over 20yrs. Anyway, just getting the heavy stuff off the machines was a bear. I had to lean against the wall and use my left knee to push the countertop up to get it high enough to get on top of the machines once they were cleared out. There's a shelf bracket to the right that makes it so it can't slide all the way back, but it still fits pretty well and it looks nice. Getting the bins back on top really sucked- had to actually step on something with my left leg to brace it to get it high enough to pop the heaviest tub up and struggled hard to get it on the counter. I worked up a sweat and my blood pressure was through the roof, but I got it done. I got some nice accessories like some detergent holders that tip the containers so I can dispense the liquid easily. I like Gain original scent stuff. Put the detergent in a cup and dump it in. I use a Downey dispenser ball for the fabric softener but put the Gain fabric softener in. I also toss in some Gain Fireworks scent beads. For when I'm feeling extra lazy I also got some Gain laundry pods. I have 3 total stands but only have 2 set up because I need to figure out a 3rd liquid to use-- maybe some oxyclean or something for whites. Unfortunately, the iron sediment in our well water makes it impossible to keep white clothes white so that is something we nee dto figure out down the line. Also got magnetic dryer sheet holder, dryer ball holder, and lint bin The dryer sheet holder wouldn't fit between the dryer and the wall so I stuck it on the washing machine for now-- you can see the edge of the countertop. I put the lint bin and dryer ball holder between the machines. I also got a scent bead dispenser and a laundry pod holder This is the temporary setup until we can renovate. That gray tub to the right was the bane of my existence. LOL. I don't know why we have the Cheer powder. It doesn't work with our machines. My only thought is Mom must've found it on a sale and since she doesn't do laundry anymore she has no clue what the machines do. She's now 75-yrs old and her balance sucks due to some inner ear damage so she can't carry laundry. I added a new door lever to the back door-- Schlage brand and used a gator repair hinge to make sure the door shut properly. Added more door & window expanding foam in the cracks. In terms of framing and plumbing I've changed the plans a bit. I realized that the partial wall wouldn't work as the framing doens't go all the way to the floor and its best to just eliminate that and have the wall flat with a possible bumpout up high to higher but that would probably be too much of a pain. I'm going to have to plane down the framing around the door to get the drywall to fit. I might be able to bump stuff over more to the left to have more space in the right corner. Because of the height I would need the standpipe to be to have the water supply lines reach I've decided to have the standpipe drain in a different smaller box that will be below the shelf behind the machines. The shelf will be moved up to be level with the back rail of the countertop. I will try to move the plumbing inside the wall. I checked the diagrams for the machines and found that the power cord for the washing machine is on the right as you face it so I will probably move the outlet for it over to the left and have a desk grommet for it to go through to plug in (since I want to be able to unplug it easily if need be). I'm not sure if I can drill all the way through the sill plate to run the pipes-- don't know if there is any other framing in the way so if I can't I will route stuff around the sill plate at the bottom and it will all be hidden behind the machines. Here is one of my sketchup layout diagrams. The water supply line box is from Oatey and I need to clean it up. I drew it from the measurements I took of the actual box since I couldn't find an existing model of it. In the sketchup image I hadn't yet moved the AAV up. I have a wallbox for the AAV with slits on the cover to allow airflow. I will put the AAV box as high as it can go without getting in the way of any cabinets. I will probably build custom cabinets rather than buying some bc prices are absolutely insane on stuff now and sales tax is 10.5% where they sell the cabinets (it's 11% where I live). The drawing doesn't show plans to move the outlet over. I will need to figure out where the studs are to get a good placement for that. You can't see from the image but I've added in the Sioux Chief Oxbox that goes below the shelf so the standpipe can be a reasonable height. I got some sioux chief water hammer arrestors that will connect to the back of the washing machine. For the dryer vent I got a pestblocking vent cover to go on the outside. While I can't fit a laundry tub in the laundry room, I plan to put one outside the back door (although it may temporarily sit against the fence near the water trough for the cows until I can get a landing built and get a hose big setup connected out there. I got a bbq cover for it. I got a 37gallon laundry tub on sale from Wayfair. It came with a drain kit as well as the faucet with pull-out sprayer. It will have to be anchored to the ground as it only weighs 30lbs and can blow away. I also got a ceiling mount rack thing and will need to figure out the placement. as I don't want it to conflict with the attic access nor with the ceiling fan or any of the lights. My initial plan was to run it parallel to the back door but I might have to run it perpendicular. I got a pole with a hook to be able to grab hangers. I didn't add that to my ideabooks yet. I'm considering changing ceiling fans as well but we shall see. I might need to go with something smaller profile. I've also decided to have a table that folds down against the wall when not in use and I will have it on the wall sort of near the electrical panel as there just wasn't room for it on the opposite wall. I saw some nice lumber for sale at one of the big box stores but didn't want to mess with tying it down in the back of my truck when I'm not yet ready to start working on building the table. It was nice oak. My kitchen has custom red oak cabinets that my dad built back in the 80s. Anyway, I have most of the hardware for the table and just need to figure out final measurements so it won't scrape the floor. I will make a slip cover to turn it in to an ironing board. I won't leave the cover on bc when folded down the cats would claw it. So I'll have a spot to store it when its not on. I have a friend who is good at sewing who I might commission to help me make it. I will have to upload my ideas for the folding table later. This is my ideas collage for stuff for the laundry room: That was from before I found the laundry pod container.

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Svara på: Life is still crazy. Been having trouble with my left arm and my back so I haven't gotten as much done. My best friend who has been helping me had some health issues and was busy and unable to come out much. I've managed to make a very small amount of progress. I was thinking about how to keep stuff from falling between and behind the machines and came across a laundry countertop for a reasonable price. You cant tell from the photos but has 3 boards in the middle running from left ot right and then has rails/ledges. It's waterproof and heat resistant. It is allegedly stain resistant. We shall see about that. It's not terribly heavy but it was bulky enough that I exhausted myself just getting it out of the box. Ended up having to flip the box upsidedown and dumped it out because lifting it out wasn't working. I also had to clear off the machines and scrub them clean before putting this up. One of the tubs on top of the dryer has books and heavy stuff in it so it was incredibly difficult to lift and I couldn't get any help from Doofusaurus. In his defense, he hurt his back trying to lift Mom when she fell. We both hurt ourselves but he's not accustomed to back pain so its new to him. He hasn't mocked me about complaining of my back pain since at least and I've had a bad back for over 20yrs. Anyway, just getting the heavy stuff off the machines was a bear. I had to lean against the wall and use my left knee to push the countertop up to get it high enough to get on top of the machines once they were cleared out. There's a shelf bracket to the right that makes it so it can't slide all the way back, but it still fits pretty well and it looks nice. Getting the bins back on top really sucked- had to actually step on something with my left leg to brace it to get it high enough to pop the heaviest tub up and struggled hard to get it on the counter. I worked up a sweat and my blood pressure was through the roof, but I got it done. I got some nice accessories like some detergent holders that tip the containers so I can dispense the liquid easily. I like Gain original scent stuff. Put the detergent in a cup and dump it in. I use a Downey dispenser ball for the fabric softener but put the Gain fabric softener in. I also toss in some Gain Fireworks scent beads. For when I'm feeling extra lazy I also got some Gain laundry pods. I have 3 total stands but only have 2 set up because I need to figure out a 3rd liquid to use-- maybe some oxyclean or something for whites. Unfortunately, the iron sediment in our well water makes it impossible to keep white clothes white so that is something we nee dto figure out down the line. Also got magnetic dryer sheet holder, dryer ball holder, and lint bin The dryer sheet holder wouldn't fit between the dryer and the wall so I stuck it on the washing machine for now-- you can see the edge of the countertop. I put the lint bin and dryer ball holder between the machines. I also got a scent bead dispenser and a laundry pod holder This is the temporary setup until we can renovate. That gray tub to the right was the bane of my existence. LOL. I don't know why we have the Cheer powder. It doesn't work with our machines. My only thought is Mom must've found it on a sale and since she doesn't do laundry anymore she has no clue what the machines do. She's now 75-yrs old and her balance sucks due to some inner ear damage so she can't carry laundry. I added a new door lever to the back door-- Schlage brand and used a gator repair hinge to make sure the door shut properly. Added more door & window expanding foam in the cracks. In terms of framing and plumbing I've changed the plans a bit. I realized that the partial wall wouldn't work as the framing doens't go all the way to the floor and its best to just eliminate that and have the wall flat with a possible bumpout up high to higher but that would probably be too much of a pain. I'm going to have to plane down the framing around the door to get the drywall to fit. I might be able to bump stuff over more to the left to have more space in the right corner. Because of the height I would need the standpipe to be to have the water supply lines reach I've decided to have the standpipe drain in a different smaller box that will be below the shelf behind the machines. The shelf will be moved up to be level with the back rail of the countertop. I will try to move the plumbing inside the wall. I checked the diagrams for the machines and found that the power cord for the washing machine is on the right as you face it so I will probably move the outlet for it over to the left and have a desk grommet for it to go through to plug in (since I want to be able to unplug it easily if need be). I'm not sure if I can drill all the way through the sill plate to run the pipes-- don't know if there is any other framing in the way so if I can't I will route stuff around the sill plate at the bottom and it will all be hidden behind the machines. Here is one of my sketchup layout diagrams. The water supply line box is from Oatey and I need to clean it up. I drew it from the measurements I took of the actual box since I couldn't find an existing model of it. In the sketchup image I hadn't yet moved the AAV up. I have a wallbox for the AAV with slits on the cover to allow airflow. I will put the AAV box as high as it can go without getting in the way of any cabinets. I will probably build custom cabinets rather than buying some bc prices are absolutely insane on stuff now and sales tax is 10.5% where they sell the cabinets (it's 11% where I live). The drawing doesn't show plans to move the outlet over. I will need to figure out where the studs are to get a good placement for that. You can't see from the image but I've added in the Sioux Chief Oxbox that goes below the shelf so the standpipe can be a reasonable height. I got some sioux chief water hammer arrestors that will connect to the back of the washing machine. For the dryer vent I got a pestblocking vent cover to go on the outside. While I can't fit a laundry tub in the laundry room, I plan to put one outside the back door (although it may temporarily sit against the fence near the water trough for the cows until I can get a landing built and get a hose big setup connected out there. I got a bbq cover for it. I got a 37gallon laundry tub on sale from Wayfair. It came with a drain kit as well as the faucet with pull-out sprayer. It will have to be anchored to the ground as it only weighs 30lbs and can blow away. I also got a ceiling mount rack thing and will need to figure out the placement. as I don't want it to conflict with the attic access nor with the ceiling fan or any of the lights. My initial plan was to run it parallel to the back door but I might have to run it perpendicular. I got a pole with a hook to be able to grab hangers. I didn't add that to my ideabooks yet. I'm considering changing ceiling fans as well but we shall see. I might need to go with something smaller profile. I've also decided to have a table that folds down against the wall when not in use and I will have it on the wall sort of near the electrical panel as there just wasn't room for it on the opposite wall. I saw some nice lumber for sale at one of the big box stores but didn't want to mess with tying it down in the back of my truck when I'm not yet ready to start working on building the table. It was nice oak. My kitchen has custom red oak cabinets that my dad built back in the 80s. Anyway, I have most of the hardware for the table and just need to figure out final measurements so it won't scrape the floor. I will make a slip cover to turn it in to an ironing board. I won't leave the cover on bc when folded down the cats would claw it. So I'll have a spot to store it when its not on. I have a friend who is good at sewing who I might commission to help me make it. I will have to upload my ideas for the folding table later. This is my ideas collage for stuff for the laundry room: That was from before I found the laundry pod container.

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NO-PEST VENT, Exclusive Dual Door Dryer Vent Cover Outdoor 4 inch or Bathroom fan, Made in USA w Highest UV Resistant Plastic in any Outdoor Vent Cover (White, 4 inch W/O Duct Tube)

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SUBEKYU Magnetic Lint Bin for Laundry Room, Small Waste Bin or Laundry Storage Container for Hanging on Dryer/Washer/Wall, 0.85 Gallon, White

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Ox Box Drain Box with Single Frame

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Sioux Chief Mfg 660-H 3/4-Inch Female Swivel Hose Thread by 3/4-Inch Male Hose Thread Mini Rester (2 Pack)

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Conworld Laundry Detergent Dispenser, Wall Mounted Laundry Beads Dispenser for Scent Booster Beads, Stain Remover Powder, Bath Salts, Rice, Beans Grain and Dry Food, Laundry Scent Booster Container

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Skywin TidyFriend 2 Pack Liquid Laundry Detergent Holder Stand with Drip Tray & Rubber-Grip Feet, Stand for Laundry Room Organization and Storage, Fabric Softener Dispenser with Cup Holder (White)

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Skywin TidyFriend 2 Pack Liquid Laundry Detergent Holder Stand with Drip Tray & Rubber-Grip Feet, Stand for Laundry Room Organization and Storage, Fabric Softener Dispenser with Cup Holder (White)

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Magnetic Dryer Sheet Holder for Laundry Room,Metal Dryer Sheet Container,Dryer Sheet Dispenser for Laundry Room Organizition,Wall Dryer Sheet Box,Fabric Sheet Holder,Laundry Detergent Sheets Dispenser

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Laundry Room Organization and Storage - Magnetic Dryer Ball Holder - Lint Bin for Laundry Room Alternative - Magnetic Holder for Laundry Accessories - Fits Wool Dryer Ball Basket (White)

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Oroonoko 72inch Industrial Pipe Clothes Garment Rack Ceiling Mount For Hanging Rod Bar for Laundry Room Up to Max Load 135Lb

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186oz/5.5L Laundry Pods Container for Room Organization, Pod Up Holder With 30 Labels and Scoop, Detergent Powder Container, Dryer Sheet Holder, 220 Pods

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LEBENGURU No-Installation HDPE Washer Dryer Countertop - 54.2"x27.5" Heavy Duty Laundry Topper Covers with Rails, Space Saving Organizer (White, Faux Wood Finish)

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LEBENGURU No-Installation HDPE Washer Dryer Countertop - 54.2"x27.5" Heavy Duty Laundry Topper Covers with Rails, Space Saving Organizer (White, Faux Wood Finish)

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37-Gallon Freestanding Laundry Tub Utility Sink with Black Pull-Out Faucet 040EC22WTBKBK01

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New door frame being carried over for installation. I put flashing tape all around the jack studs and new sill (wanted to put it under the sill but there was nothing to grab onto & tape wouldn't hold)

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New door from outside-- need to find wider trim. Gap next to brickmould varies from 1.75" to 2". Seriously thinking of removing brickmould and replacing with wide PVC trim. I'm thinking nominal 1x6 for the sides and 1x4 for the top.

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New door from inside. Yes I realize now that the pet door is in backwards but I don't care because it was such a nightmare to install in the first place that I don't think it can be removed unless it breaks.

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New frame put in- some of the old tongue & groove & whatever old siding had to be cut away/removed.

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New sill

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New header

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New header

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New header and cripples

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Closeup of new header- two 2x6s with foam board in between. secured with structural screws & nails

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old sill before removal

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south side of sill

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hole where old sill wsa rotted away

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old sill removed & this was under it

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old sill

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old sill

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old sill

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old sill on the left side-- it was rotted

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old header & jack stud-- header was two 2x4s with a gap filled with spray foam.

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old jack stud on south side with view of dangerous electrical exposed

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Old jack stud on south side.

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Header & cripples temporarily removed

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Old door with busted out pet door & rotted on bottom. Vines grew up from there.

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Old door and trim removed.

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Clearly Secure 23.25 in. x 34.75 in. x 3.125 in. Frameless Wave Pattern Vented Glass Block Window

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Some view of the plumbing with washing machines hidden.

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View of previous sketch with machines hidden

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Plan modified to have acrylic/plexiglass cover over machines extending to wall.

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Zenna Home Double Curved shower rod

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My sketch of Sterling performa with moen Monticello tub spout & Delta Lahara shower trim

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sterling performa

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Sterling performa

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Sterling performa

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Sketchup view from the north

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Sketchup view from the top

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Another skethcup view form the north

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Sketchup view from the south

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Sketchup view from the west

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Vanity Light sketch

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Portfolio 3-bulb vanity light

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South view in sketchup

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Vanity & mirror (without sink) in sketchup

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Vanity and mirror (without sink) in sketchup

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West view of bathroom in sketchup

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Drawing of bathroom from the south

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Drawing of bathroom from the north

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HoldRite bracket & stubout

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Euro style vanity

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exterior of house from east side

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Details of Sterling performa shower & tub

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Doorway between laundry room and bathroom

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MSI antique mahogany LVP

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attic access in ceiling

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dryer specs

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